A Conversation with Patrick Marshall, YellowBook’s Chief New Media Officer

May 1st, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

Pat Marshall has been in the online directory industry basically since it was created. In fact, when introducing him, John Kelsey and Charles Laughlin (both from the Kelsey Group) called him “the father of Internet Yellow Pages”. According to the press release announcing his Yellow Book nomination, “ Marshall has spent more than 28 years in marketing leadership positions, including as a senior executive with Verizon, Frontier Corporation and R. H. Donnelley. At Verizon, Marshall led the launch and management of SuperPages.com.” So, it was with great pleasure I sat down to listen to this conversation between the Kelsey Group folks and Pat Marshall.

Q: Why did you get back into the Internet yellow pages (IYP) business?

A: I did not want to get back in IYP, I wanted to get back into local search. I also wanted to get back into action (as opposed to the consulting I had been doing in the last few years)

Q: So, is Yellow Book in the local search business?

A: Today we’re more IYP than local search, but the trajectory is going towards local search. IYPs are really good at finding who but not good at finding what.

Q: What are the areas you need to move into to to go into local search?

A: Three things: 1) Infrastructure. Business directories are yearly things and this does not work in the local search world. 2) Traffic. a key directory publisher axiom: advertisers advertise because users use. You need a qualified audience and we’ve done well with that (see this Comscore release). 3) Having inventory. Present a merchant in a context that’s appropriate for him. We don’t have enough inventory today.

Q: Where are you now on a scale of 1 to 5?

A: We’re at 3. We’ve made a lot of progress but I would like to move at twice the current speed. As a senior executive, I need to create the environment where that can happen. We need to focus on the collective IQ.

Q: What are you doing to develop a local search solution supported by research?

A: When people are using local search, they’re not shopping. They’re hiring. You don’t shop for a pool service, a lawyer. You hire these people. The process is three dimensional: urgency, risk, satisfaction.

Q: Let’s talk about verticals. Would the IYP product be further ahead if verticals had been developed earlier and deeper?

A: I don’t think we would have been better off. The industry has gone through enormous changes to get to 2008. In 1995, sales forces were unidimensional. The first year of Superpages.com, we generated $100K in revenues. We missed our target and it was the first time in my life I missed my target. Sales was afraid to bring Internet in conversations because they were afraid merchants would know more than them.

Q: Where is the value in Yellow Book’s online offers? Is it search engine marketing, is it YellowBook.com?

A: It really depends what the customer wants. In some situation, they only want what we called “Googlecaine”. So, you should sell what people are buying.

Q: What kind of partnerships are you looking for?

A: Anyone that can help me solve my three problems listed above. 1) Infrastructure products/services that reduce our costs (but bring a business case), 2) traffic (we’re always interested but talk about the quality of the traffic and how it fits with us), and 3) advertising/inventory products (talk to us about why it’s good for our customers, what skin are you willing to put in the game).

Q: Is it important for Yellow Book that Google, Yahoo!, MSN be successful in local search?

A: Yes, definitely. I doubt that they will invest into a local channel. So, they will come to us to resell their products.

Posted in Charles Laughlin, Directories, Google, Local, Local Search, MSN, Sales Strategy, Search Engine Marketing, Strategy, Superpages, Verticalization, Yahoo! | 1 Comment »

Small Business Owners Hit Hard by the Economic Slowdown

April 29th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

Found some interesting SME data in (of all places!) an article about sandwich board signs in today’s USA Today.

Small business owners have been hit hard by the economic slowdown. More than 30% of businesses with 500 or fewer employees have seen a decrease in gross sales and nearly 40% have seen a decrease in net profits in the past 12 months, according to a National Small Business Association. As a result, the NSBA says 54% of merchants will turn to new marketing strategies. Sandwich boards are among those techniques, Molly Brogan, NSBA vice president of public affairs, said.

What it means: directory publishing has traditionally been more immune to slowdowns and recessions than other media. It’s going to be interesting to hear experts at the Kelsey conference talk about this topic (I hope it comes up!). Some experts are predicting that this slowdown in the US might the first one where print publishing is really hit hard. I’m not sure it will be the case. Print is very resilient and is a core element of small business owners’ marketing strategy. I think every directional media (whether print or online) will fare better than other media in this difficult economic situation in the US (and that includes search engine marketing).

Posted in Directories, Kelsey Group, Local, Local Search, Search Engine Marketing, Strategy | No Comments »

YouTube videos in Google Maps: Local Video SEO

April 15th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

Google just announced that you can now embed YouTube videos in merchant profiles in Google Maps. Videos are displayed in the “Photos & Videos” tab in the extended listing bubble that appears when you click on a listing.

“Local business owners can easily add YouTube videos along with other content such as business details, photos, and descriptions to their listings. To do so, simply upload your videos to YouTube and ensure that the ‘embed’ option is turned on. Then, associate your video to your business listing through the Local Business Center.” A bit difficult for the average small merchant but fairly easy if you run a local SEO program.

The Google blog points to this example, I Dream of Cake in San Francisco.

I Dream of Cake San Francisco Google Maps YouTube Videos

What it means: most major North American directory publishers have launched their local video offer in the last 12 months (often powered by TurnHere or Weblistic). I think this will drastically increase the value proposition for those local videos, if publishers agree to distribute their videos in YouTube and Google Maps. I think they should do it and leverage the enormous amount of traffic found in those two sites.

Posted in Directories, Google Maps, Local, Local Search, Search Engine Optimization, TurnHere, Video, Weblistic, YouTube | 2 Comments »

Canadian Newspaper Industry Doing Much Better Than US One

April 14th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

A few weeks ago, with the release of the latest revenue numbers from the Newspaper Association of America, we were treated with very Chicken Little-esque headlines including “Decline Of US Newspapers Accelerating“, “NAA Reveals Biggest Ad Revenue Plunge in More Than 50 Years “ and ”NAA to newspapers: advertise this“. 

Highlights of these articles included:

  • “Total print advertising revenue in 2007 plunged 9.4% to $42 billion compared to 2006″
  • “Signs that online growth rate is beginning to slow as well. Internet ad revenue in 2007 grew 18.8% to $3.2 billion compared to 2006.”
  • “But an even more important reason why paper ads are declining is that their cost-to-value ratio is way out of whack with what advertisers can get elsewhere, particularly the Internet.”

One reader in Techcrunch (a former journalist) had an especially enlightening comment:

Across the board, three dynamics are pretty consistently hammering nails into the dailies’ collective coffin faster than might be occur otherwise:

* Despite talk about fundamental disruption in the business, there’s still an attitude that this is a storm to be ridden out rather than a complete sea change. Even when the folks at the top (owners, publishers) get it, there are many, many layers of upper and middle managers who don’t — and who are afraid of losing head count because that somehow diminishes their authority.

* Sales has been given increasing control of the organization. Mind you, sales are crucial — but it’s hard to find a group of folks less strategic than salespeople on commission.

* Too many lifers. When you get into key operational areas (marketing, product development, news management) you find a lot of people who’ve been in the daily news business their whole careers, which isn’t necessarily bad, but nor is it a hotbed of innovation. What’s more shocking is the number of people you run across who’ve been at the same paper for 15, 20 or 25 years.

Chris Anderson, Wired’s Editor-in-Chief, had a different take on things, one that I definitely agree with:

The truth is that the newspaper business is still a huge industry and will be around in one form or another for the rest of my life. That is not to dismiss the declines, but only to note that there’s still a lot of money there and what is required is strategic change, not giving up the ghost.

Growth industries are different from sunset industries, but in many cases the second category is larger (one example: the Yellow Pages is still a $16 billion business).  Managing companies on the way up takes a different set of skills than milking them for cash on the way down (and often different people, witness the buyout guys), but fortunes are just as often made the second way.

What people forget is that industries peak at the top. Which is to say, at the very time that the first and second derivative people are writing off a business, those who can stand back and see the value still left in it can make a mint. Laugh at newspapers if you will, but I’ll bet some private equity firm out there is looking at the chart above and licking their chops.

With all this doom and gloom, I was pleasantly surprised when the Canadian Newspaper Association released their numbers last week.  Highlights from the Financial post and The Windsor Star:

  • “Revenue at Canadian newspapers fell about one per cent last year”
  • “The healthier financial picture in Canada reflects newspapers that are doing a better job maintaining their readership numbers”
  • “a 30 per cent rise in online advertising revenue offsetting a two per cent drop on the print side.”
  • “The ongoing challenge for newspaper companies (…) is to figure out how to use print content in digital form across various platforms such as home computers or mobile devices.”
  • “The narrative about newspapers in the U.S. has been consistently negative in recent years, and that negativity has unduly influenced perceptions of the health of the newspaper industry in Canada”

What it means: as I don’t know the intricacies of both regions in the newspaper industry, it’s very difficult for me to comment on the why of those major differences.  But it’s something we also see in the directory industry, where Canada (or by proxy Yellow Pages Group) usually experiences better financial results than its US peers.  From a newspaper usage perspective, I do have one recent ”focus group of one” anecdote though.  Ever since I got my HTC Touch with a cheap unlimited data plan from Bell Mobility, I find myself reaching for the phone much more often than the printed newspaper when I have a few minutes during the day.  Radio-Canada (the French CBC) has become my default source for mobile news as they refresh their feed very often, have tons of original content and have a mobile-specific version.  If I (a self-proclaimed newspaper junkie) am reaching for the phone instead of the paper, it’s a sure sign that mobile will be next opportunity/challenge facing the newspaper industry and I think it will be the same in the directory business.

Posted in Canada, Directories, Mobile, News, Newspapers, Revenues, Strategy, Trends, Yellow Pages Group | 1 Comment »

Is Word of Mouth the Great Local Search Disruptor?

March 28th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

Was reading this morning a great analysis by Mathew Ingram about a New York Times article describing the way “young people” get/read their political news. It’s clearly more and more about word of mouth and your social graph.

As Mathew says: “It’s not that there is anything earth-shatteringly new in the piece, mind you. But I think it does a great job of describing how digital “word of mouth” — in other words, social networking of all kinds including Twitter, IM, Facebook and so on — has become a dominant means of news delivery for young people in a way that I’m not sure old geezers like myself quite grasp, no matter how often people describe it”

The Times sums it up: “In essence, they are replacing the professional filter — reading The Washington Post, clicking on CNN.com — with a social one. (…) In one sense, this social filter is simply a technological version of the oldest tool in politics: word of mouth.”

What it means: I remember when I joined Yellow Pages Group in 1999 (called Bell ActiMedia at the time), old-timers used to tell me that the biggest “competitor” to directory publishers wasn’t other directory publishers (or Google or other online directories), it was word of mouth. People have always asked their friends for recommendations and it has always represented a large volume of local search “queries”.

Admittedly, news and local search are not totally the same. Local search information is usually more of a pull (i.e. someone looking for a product/service) than a push (i.e. someone broadcasting information about a new merchant they found). It’s also more “evergreen” than news, i.e. unless you’re a total local merchant junkie, you don’t need to learn in a timely fashion about a new restaurant opening in your neighborhood. But there’s the seed out there of future consumer behavior which could create a great disruption effect on local search. Who knows? It might become valuable to broadcast information about your favorite local merchants. As I estimated in this blog post, there’s potentially 7 more times online local conversations than online directories searches currently. Anyone who successfully harness these conversations will create very valuable local search inventory.

Posted in Directories, Local, Local Search, News, Social Media, Social Search, Social networks, Socio-Demographics, Yellow Pages Group, word-of-mouth | 1 Comment »

The Polaroid Lesson: Never Be Married to a Specific Product or Medium

March 25th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

Learning about the imminent end of Polaroid instant films in this morning’s Le Devoir, I was inspired to read more about what’s going on with the company. They’ve clearly faced important disruption with the emergence of digital cameras and I wanted to see what had happened recently to one of the most innovative technology companies in US history. “Its founder, Edwin Land, held 533 patents, second only to Thomas Alva Edison in US history.” says the Boston Globe. They were the champions of the “razor and blades” model, selling cameras at low-profit margins to sell high-margin films. According to this Time Magazine article, profit margins in 1965 were already “perhaps as high as 30%”. Sounds familiar? They also were famous for their very high dividends. Sounds familiar also?

Polaroid

(Flickr picture by amayzun)

But the company is now, according to another Boston Globe article, “a shell of its once-great self, now owned by Petters Group Worldwide of Minnesota. There’s no research and development activity to speak of. The company primarily licenses the Polaroid name to electronics makers in Asia (…)”. There is a glimmer of light but it’s not much. In the same article, I read about Zink, a Polaroid spin-off that’s producing a cool ink-less printer for digital pictures. “As Polaroid was sliding into bankruptcy in 2001, the company was trying to figure out what to do with a printing technology it had developed that doesn’t rely on ink, but instead uses a patented type of crystal that changes color in response to heat. Paper coated with Zink’s crystals can produce full-color photos when exposed to just the right pulses of heat. The project was nearly killed as Polaroid stumbled through its bankruptcy proceedings, but Zink got a reprieve and was spun out as an independent company in 2005.”

What it means: I couldn’t find Polaroid’s specific mission statement but I’m convinced it did not talk about medium-specific products. The Zink innovation was too late to change the course of history for the company, but it serves as a great reminder to never be married to a specific product or medium. By following the “connecting buyers and sellers” mission statement, directory publishers have the opportunity to avoid Polaroid’s fate. Leveraging their sales force to sell new online products like Google Adwords or Yahoo Search products for example is a very smart way of conducting their business in an online (and fragmented) media world. I remain convinced that the smartest directory publishers will launch their own local ad networks, thereby drastically increasing their online reach. They already have all the assets, they just need to execute.

Update: regarding Polaroid’s mission statement, Cheryl (via Linkedin Answers) points me to this .pdf article. It’s “to put the latest cutting edge technology in the peoples’ hands and give them the power to use it comfortably, affordably… and in an instant.”

Posted in Ad Networks, Directories, Local, Local Search, Polaroid, Strategy | 1 Comment »

Insights From the SEAT Pagine Gialle Dividend Cut Announcement

March 20th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

Many articles today in the international business press about the SEAT Pagine Gialle dividend cut announcement. Obviously, their stock has been badly hit by the news but I found three interesting insights about their future online strategy.

Reuters: “Seat will not pay a dividend this year because, it said, “in the current credit market environment, the company has adopted a financial policy devoting available financial resources to debt repayment and Internet development in Italy.”

Bloomberg: “Majocchi [Seat’s CEO] is focusing on Italy this year, a strategy shift after betting on expansion abroad to lift sales and earnings. Seat is also introducing new products such as Web-based directory services to attract clients.”

The Guardian: “Seat, which has focused on print directories and selling Internet ads as an additional product to its core products, aims to change and sell Internet ads as a stand-alone product.”

What it means: first insight, SEAT has decided it will be investing in its core market instead of internationally to expand revenues. Second, it will be investing heavily in their online products as this is where the growth is coming. Third, it will un-bundle print and online to try to maximize online revenues. With a difficult financial market and possible worldwide economic slowdown, I suspect that this emerging strategy will be replicated in many territories. Focus on core market, invest heavily in online opportunities (new products, new technology development, and acquisitions) and un-bundle the print and online will be key in the next couple of years.

Posted in Directories, Local, Local Search, Luca Majocchi, SEAT Pagine Gialle, Strategy | No Comments »

Approaching a Perfect Storm in the Print Directory Space?

March 19th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

As the stock market keeps punishing directory publishers’ stock worldwide, we’re starting to see more articles about “how no one uses the print Yellow Pages” anymore (see Boston.com, CNBC, or WickedLocal.com). People in the industry know it’s not true, the Yellow Pages Association (and individual publishers as well) have data to back it up but I fear we’re letting public opinion run loose with that preconceived notion.

The whole industry needs to work on this. I’m afraid we’re getting close to a perfect storm where the stock value drop is associated with usage drop permanently. As I suggested in the Kelsey Group blog yesterday, “One way to re-join the conversation would be for directory publishers to start blogging. They all have very smart CEOs and VPs, who usually have a lot to say, but we only communicate behind closed doors or in industry conferences. It’s time for the industry to get back its share of voice and I think it would help to address the media bashing that’s currently happening.”

The good news is that people are reacting. Dave Swanson, CEO of R.H. Donnelley Corp. appeared on CNBC’s Fast Money to counter the argument that “Yellow Pages are dead”. He did a great job. We need more of that.

Dave Swanson RHD CNBC Yellow Pages Are Not Dead

(click here to listen to his interview)

Posted in David Swanson, Directories, Local, Local Search, RH Donnelley, Strategy, Trends | No Comments »

Global Directional Advertising Revenues Will Grow to $41B by 2012 (Kelsey)

February 25th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

Just received the press release announcing the new interactive ad revenue forecast by The Kelsey Group. Highlights:

Global (2007-2012):

  • Ad revenues (currently at $600B) to grow at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 2.7 percent and reach US$707 billion in 2012.
  • Interactive ad revenues will increase from US$45 billion in 2007 to US$147 billion in 2012 (a 23.4 percent CAGR).
  • Directional advertising, which comprises local search, print Yellow Pages and Internet Yellow Pages (IYP), will go from US$33.3 billion in 2007 to US$41.4 billion in 2012 (4.5 percent CAGR)
  • Local search revenues will grow from US$2.1 billion to US$6.6 billion (25.5 percent CAGR).
  • Print Yellow Pages revenues will decline from US$27.5 billion to US$25.6 billion (-1.4 percent CAGR).
  • IYP revenues will grow from US$3.7 billion to US$9.2 billion (20.1 percent CAGR).

US (2007-2012)

  • Interactive advertising revenues: from US$22.5 billion to US$62.4 billion (22.6 percent CAGR)
  • Directional advertising revenues: from US$16.4 billion to US$18.8 billion (2.8 percent CAGR)

Canada (2007-2012)

  • Interactive revenues: from US$1.3 billion to US$3.3 billion (21.3 percent CAGR).
  • Directional revenues: from US$1.4 billion to US$1.9 billion (5.8 percent CAGR).
  • “Canada is one of the markets in which The Kelsey Group expects growth in the print Yellow Pages segment, forecasting a 1.8 percent CAGR for print directories in Canada during the forecast period.”

According to Charles Laughlin from the Kelsey Group, they expect “printed directory revenues to decline in most global markets over the forecast period, though print will remain the most important source of leads for small businesses. For directory publishers to succeed, they will need to invest time, energy and resources in both channels to minimize the decline in print and maximize the opportunity online.”

Reporting on the same press release, MediaPost added that “ the forecast does not include mobile ad platforms.”

Update: Techcrunch chimes in.

Posted in Canada, Charles Laughlin, Directories, Local, Local Search, Revenues, Trends | No Comments »

Oops! We Forgot to Atomize Our Business Model!

February 18th, 2008 by Sebastien Provencher

A couple of news articles caught my eye last week. Mediapost reported on a TV exec seminar hosted by Havas’ Media Contacts unit. Talking about the online video revolution, Mediapost says major TV providers are moving aggressively online–and not only to their own online destinations, but in an array of “distributed” online content options to deliver their programming directly to consumers regardless of where they are on the Web.”

In addition, TorrentFreak discussed data from Mininova (one of the largest torrent listing sites) showing that “ 50% of all people using BitTorrent at any given point in time do so to download TV-series, quite an impressive number. In total, over a billion TV-shows are downloaded every year, and this number continues to rise.”

Our friend the Atom

Flickr photo by Marshall Astor

What it means: recently, all savvy media industry strategists have been talking about content atomization and clearly, in the TV industry, TV channels are being atomized by new Web technology. Whereby, in a traditional cableco world, channels used to be the basic content building blocks (think about how your cable TV subscription is structured), TV shows have become the new atomic element.

But there’s a problem.

The content is being atomized but the main TV business model (30-second ads) was built to be part of a larger element, the TV channel. Ads used to fill, i) the “empty spaces” between shows and ii) planned 3-minute interruptions during the show. In the first scenario, those empty spaces don’t really exist anymore as shows become the basic element and BitTorrent is disrupting the second scenario by offering easily accessible ad-less versions of your favorite programs.

Guess what. Someone forgot to atomize the TV business model while they were busy atomizing the content.

So, how do you atomize TV’s business model? Is it all about product placement, sponsorships, pre-roll ads? Do you move to a user-paid subscription model for individual shows? And BTW, is the future cableco the equivalent of a RSS reader for online videos?

And what does it mean for other media, newspapers for example?

In the case of newspapers, from a content point of view, news articles are the new atoms. This is the way news information travels online. But, in that situation, newspapers’ business model has been blown to bits (no pun intended). Let me explain. Like TV channels, newspapers are inserting ads in the empty spaces around news articles. These spaces don’t really exists anymore, so how do you monetize? News article sponsorships? A-la-carte article user-paid
subscriptions? This one is not easy as journalism ethics (rightfully so!) have kept news article and ads completely separated. How do you bring ads closer to the article without breaking readers’ trust?

What about radio?

For the traditional FM radio industry, individual songs are clearly the basic atom of content. But those are so easy to find online through legal (music streaming services, iTunes) or illegal means (BitTorrent again). As for their business model, radio stations insert ads around songs. Again, these slots don’t exist in an atomized world. Maybe radio stations should invest in original content or better DJs (Wired calls them robo-DJs in “Why things suck”)? Can radio stations move online as trusted brands and become real music aggregators/recommendation engines? It might be too late. So, is FM radio as we know it screwed? Maybe more than people think. That one again is not easy to solve.

And finally, directory publishers?

As for directory publishers, their business model is currently in the ranking of directory listings. But those individual listings might be the new content atoms. And if they are, it means that the ranking structure does not exist anymore. Is it now the merchants’ phone number and a pay-per-call model? Is it pay-per-click to individual merchants? Given that directory content is all about advertising, atomizing content does not impair a directory publisher from atomizing their business model but it just needs to be properly executed. I believe pay-per-call and pay-per-click to individual merchants might definitely be the way to go.

Conclusion

If you’re atomizing your content, don’t forget to atomize your business model! This blog post raises important questions about future traditional media business models. I don’t have all the answers at this point but I meant this post as a wake-up call to stimulate deeper strategic thinking in all traditional media firms.

Posted in Atomization, BitTorrent, Business models, Cable Companies, Directories, Local, Local Search, Music Industry, News, Newspapers, Pay-per-call, RSS, Radio, Strategy, TV, Video | 2 Comments »

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